Ted Audio Collective. that I could take my two worlds, my two passions,

puzzles and magic, and I could cross-pollinate them

to make something new.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 19 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, David Kwong talks about how he found his place as a magician.

I had finally figured out my approach to magic pulling back the curtain.

My guest today is a puzzling guy, yet he's also kind of magical. His stage show is truly enigmatic, and his career as a TV producer is all of the above, puzzling, magical,

and enigmatic.

I'm talking about David Kwong, the magician, puzzle creator, and producer.

As if that weren't enough, he's also a writer.

His first book, Spellbound, was written for rational adults, and it's about applying the principles of magic

to our projects of persuasion. His second book which just came out is for kids, sort of.

It's titled, How to Fool Your Parents,

25 brain-breaking magic tricks.

David Kwong, welcome to Design Matters. Thank you so much. It's great to be here.

David, is it true you were hoping to have your first child on April Fool's Day?

And that's very well researched.

Yes, indeed.

She was born the day before.

She was born on March 30.

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