From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

It's The Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

What can I say about a guest who has worked with Joel Nathan Cohen, Taylor Hackford,

Aung Lee, Barry Levinson, and Christopher Nolan.

I can also say he's work with so many actors who have gone on to give off-squinting performances

or ausquinting performances in movies with him.

He's more recently known for being in the film Lousy Carter, directed, written by Bob Byington.

My guest is the actor David Krummels.

It's a thrill to have you here, Dave.

Thanks so much for doing this.

Same here, Elvis.

It's my pleasure, man.

Thank you so much.

Especially in seeing Lousy Carter and just even thinking back to you with Robert inbert in uh doing the judge together so many of the

things i like seeing you do a character who get to play exasperation and you've been able to ring

so many different colors out of that that it fascinates me i i know it well you know i i guess i've

mined the depths of my own exasperation uh so long that, yeah, there's layers to it.

I think just being a career character actor is exasperating by nature.

And so I've gone to some dark places, Elvis, and in doing so, I have found light.

There is a kind of a thoughtfulness.

I mean, your characters always seem to be lost in, like, why do I feel this way as I'm feeling this way?

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