The episode you're about to listen to was released back when the mere Christians podcast was called the call to mastery

Now if you love mere Christians, you're still going to love these older episodes because the majority of each

conversation focuses on how the gospel influences the work of our guests. With that disclaimer out of the way, please to the call to mastery. I'm Jordan Rayner. This is a

podcast for Christians who want to do their most exceptional work for the glory of God and the good of others.

Every week I bring you a conversation with the Christian who's pursuing world-class

mastery of their vocation. We talk about their path to mastery, their daily habits,

and how the Gospel of Jesus Christ influences the work they do in the world.

Today's guests need little introduction. I'm talking with

J.J. and Dave Heller, the husband and wife songwriting powerhouse couple. You probably know Jay-J's name. Her songs have been

streamed more than 210 million times. It's a mind-voggling number. So I sat down with both JJ and David, and we talked

about the difference between creating art that is about the light of Jesus Christ.

An art that is about what you can see because of the light of Jesus.

We talked about what they've learned from their shift of releasing full-length albums

every 12 months to releasing singles every single month.

And finally, we opened up with a great conversation about Mr Rogers, opened and closed with Mr

Rogers, a great way to structure any episode.

And specifically what Rogers has taught us about God and how God views our work. I think you're going to love this conversation

with my new friends, JJ and Dave Heller.

Dave and JJ,J. Thanks for hanging out with me. Yeah, great to be here. So I stumbled

upon something that I never heard before. I couldn't believe it. It was your version of,

it's such a good feeling by Mr. Rogers.

This is amazing.

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