David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH) on the ‘Post-SaaS era' | E1856
This Week in Startups
Jason Calacanis
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🗓️ 1 December 2023
⏱️ 82 minutes
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Today’s show:
DHH joins Jason to discuss a post-SaaS world and Once.com (2:29), the evolving landscape of remote work (21:31), navigating internal culture struggles at Basecamp (32:53), and much more!
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(0:00) DHH joins Jason
(2:29) David discusses his new SaaS alternative Once.com, which charges a one-time fee rather than a recurring subscription
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(11:50) David's philosophy on copyrighting
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(21:31) The evolving landscape of remote work
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(32:53) The state of fundraising and DHH recounts Basecamp's internal culture struggles
(49:03) Should AI progress should be accelerated or slowed down?
(1:08:08) How willful exposure to hardship can build grit and resilience.
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| 0:00.0 | I think the big shift that possibly can happen in startups is that far more companies are going |
| 0:06.1 | to start like we started in 2004 and they're going to realize that all this is possible |
| 0:10.6 | with AI with the realization that remote is possible with just |
| 0:14.1 | being more effective and more capable as individual entrepreneurs and also |
| 0:18.0 | realizing do you know what the other option is just not available I'm not going |
| 0:21.1 | to go out and raise five million dollars right now I'm not going to go out and raise $5 million right now. I'm not going to go out and |
| 0:24.4 | raise $10 million. Like the window has shut so you'd have to. This week in |
| 0:28.4 | startups is brought to you by Vanta. Compliance and security shouldn't be a deal breaker for startups to win new business. |
| 0:36.3 | Vanta makes it easy for companies to get a sock-to report fast. |
| 0:40.3 | Twist listeners can get $1,000 off for a limited time at vanta.com slash twist. |
| 0:46.7 | In Brokers startup insurance program helps startup secure the most important types of |
| 0:50.8 | insurance at a lower cost and with less hassle. |
| 0:54.5 | Save up to 20% off of traditional insurance today at a broker.com slash twist. |
| 1:00.9 | While you're there get an extra 10% off using offer code Twist. |
| 1:05.0 | And the Equinix startup program provides hybrid infrastructure solutions for startups, |
| 1:11.0 | including up to $100,000 in credits and personalized consultations and guidance from the Equinix team. |
| 1:19.0 | Go to Equinix Startups. |
| 1:21.0 | To apply today. All right, everybody welcome back. Thanks, Twitter on X David Hanmeyer Hanson is with us again. |
| 1:33.0 | First, fifth official appearance on this week. |
| 1:36.0 | And so if you get your jacket now David, you get your fifth |
| 1:38.9 | appearance blazer. |
| 1:40.0 | It's coming in the mail with a logo on it |
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