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The Political Scene | The New Yorker

David Frum Talks to David Remnick About Opposing the Trump Administration

The Political Scene | The New Yorker

The New Yorker

Obama, Washington, Politics, President, Barack, Lizza, Wnyc, News, Wickenden

4.33.9K Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2016

⏱️ 17 minutes

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“People jump on bandwagons—that is the nature of politics,” David Frum, a former speechwriter for George W. Bush, says. “Every day, every hour, you see people who had been previously opposed to Donald Trump who are prominent intellectual names making some kind of peace with him.” Frum refuses to make that peace. While he was initially “Trump-curious” about the candidate’s policy ideas, Frum believes that, as President, Trump will fundamentally undermine American institutions and the rule of law. He seeks to make common cause with the Democrats to defend basic rights and keep order in government.

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I'm Dorothy Wickenden. On today's Politics and More podcast, David Remnick talks to the political

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writer and commentator David Frum. He believes that a Trump presidency will fundamentally

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undermine American institutions and the rule of law.

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Being a Washington insider in the age of Trump just got a lot more complicated and complicated for people like David Frum. Frum has gold standard credentials as a neocon. He was a speechwriter for George W. Bush,

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credited with inventing the term

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the axis of evil. And he's done work for the Manhattan Institute and the Weekly Standard.

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But those are exactly the kind of conservative institutions that Trump's campaign,

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and now his transition team, is treating with a degree of contempt.

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And David Frum, in the end, voted for Hillary Clinton.

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David, you've been very skeptical about the direction of the Republican Party.

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For a long time now, I've been reading you in the Atlantic and articles elsewhere,

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where you've been very worried about the course that conservatism has taken, particularly within the GOP.

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