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The Michael Steele Podcast

David French’s Stark Warning for Evangelicals

The Michael Steele Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, Government, History, News

4.83.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Michael Steele speaks with David French about what the election of an American Pope means for the U.S (and the world). Plus, how politics is beginning to replace religion, the way to actually engage with hyper political people with differing views, Kristi Noem's Habeas Corpus comments and the world's lack of bible literacy. 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

The first American Pope is assuming office at a time when the idea of America as a force for good

0:06.8

in the world is under real threat. Two of the most important people in the world are American,

0:12.3

the Pope and of course, obviously the American president. And they could not be more contrasting.

0:17.6

They could not be more different. And I had this surge of happiness and hope when the Pope was selected because it was showing,

0:28.5

he was showing the world a different side of America and I think showing the world a better

0:32.9

side of America.

0:34.1

And to have that presented as the leader of the world's largest church is now an

0:39.8

American who embodies those values, it helps show the world that there's more to us, obviously,

0:45.8

than Donald Trump and MAGA.

0:59.6

Hey, everybody, welcome to the Michael Steel podcast.

1:12.4

Look, this is, we're getting into the part of the summer and spring where you kind of sit back and you contemplate the world and you have a nice little drink and enjoy life. Well, I've got someone to help us kick that off. My friend David

1:18.9

French will be joining us to help us start thinking about a few things. He's an opinion columnist

1:25.1

for the New York Times where he writes about law and culture and politics, religion, armed conflict. He's an opinion columnist for the New York Times where he writes about law and culture

1:28.1

and politics, religion, armed conflict. He covers the globe. Prior to the Times, he was a senior

1:36.8

editor at the dispatch and a columnist for the Atlantic. In 2007, 2008, he served with the second squadron, third armored cavalry regiment in Iraq, where he was awarded the Bronze Star.

1:51.8

He is the author of Divided We Fall, America Secession Threat, and How to Restore Our Nation.

1:59.1

He's one of the best minds in this space, and I'm so glad David French will be joining

2:04.4

us for a wide-ranging conversation right here on the Michael Steel Podcasts coming up right

2:09.9

after this.

2:10.9

Hey, everybody, welcome to the Michael Steel Podcast.

2:14.7

It is so good to have you back in the house, as always. I am really happy

2:19.3

and excited about this conversation. You guys who have followed me and listened to my podcast know

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