We can go through a lot if we're loved, you know, and if we're in community.

It is harder to go through anything if we're not. Welcome to the Good Faith Podcast.

I'm your host, Curtis Chang, and the Good Faith podcast is where friends who follow Jesus help each other make sense of the world.

And, boy, there has never been a time I am more grateful to have,

as a friend, our founding friend, David French, columnist in New York Times to help us make sense

of this crazy world, at least crazy it seems to me, the last first few weeks of the Trump

administration. David, welcome back to the Good Faith podcast.

Thanks so much for having me back, Curtis. I was, we're just saying in the green room and like God

and his providence allowed me to teach a course this semester about the foundational structures

of the American government and the reasons for it, why we did it.

And rarely has an undergrad college course been more relevant than what we're dealing with right now.

Well, just to date this, this is February 3rd on a Monday.

Who knows what is going to happen between now and when this drops later this week.

But let me start by just asking sort of a very basic question.

David, like, how bad is it?

How bad is it?

So the answer is it's very bad.

We don't know how bad exactly yet, though, because one

thing I want to be very cautious about is, and we use this term, it's a term developed in

wartime. We're obviously not in war, but fog of war. It's very helpful to just articulate and name fog of war before we start anything, because

there are a lot of things we don't know.

I mean, we can obviously read executive orders.

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