Welcome to the Eric Metaxus show with your host, Eric Metaxus.

Hey there, folks. Welcome to what I think of as a very special episode of the Eric Metax's show.

Of course, I think every episode is a very special episode, so you can't go by me.

But today, I get to talk to a new friend, a rather extraordinary person.

I can't really brag about him too much because he's sitting right here. David Englehart, welcome.

Thank you, sir. Pleasure to be here. You're one of those people that, you know, as I've gotten to

know you, I just think, how have I not known you before? Because God has given you some amazing gifts. You are the pastor of a church here

in New York City where I've had the privilege of speaking there called King's Church.

But you're many other things. You're the author of a brand new book that I'm excited to talk about.

It's called Good Kills, God, Good, and the Sword by David Englehart.

So you're many things.

So where do we start?

I always want to introduce my audience to my friends, to my guests.

How do I start with you?

You're complicated.

You contain multitudes. Well, I start with you? You're complicated. You contain multitudes.

Well, I think like you, I have an orientation to New York City. My mom was born in Queens.

My dad was born in the Bronx. And I grew up. I don't know, actually. I should probably ask her.

It's just so funny because obviously I was born in Queens. John Smirik was born in Queens. Yeah. Yeah, you're a New Yorker and you now pastor a church in New York. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and so I grew up upstate in the Catskills, and then we found our way through about 10 years of ministry in the Northwest, youth pastoring, among other things. And then from there to law school, and I went to a regent for law. Wait a minute. What? You were doing ministry, and then you went to law school. Yeah, yeah. Are you crazy, man? The idea is then that way you can sue your parishioners if they don't tithe. Oh, yes, that's sweet.

And you've got to make them tithe on the gross. That's right, not the net. You want God to bless the gross or bless the net? Well, so, all right, so you got a law degree. How did you, I mean, growing up, did you think you would become a pastor? No. Growing up, I didn't think I would become much of anything other than my parents were amazing,

and they would always say things like you could be anything you want to be.

Including a woman swimmer?

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