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The Rich Roll Podcast

David Choe On Finding Beauty in Brokenness

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 6 September 2021

⏱️ 178 minutes

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Summary

Can art and happiness coexist? Is great art only forged through pain? And is suffering integral to creativity? These are just a few of the many questions explored in today’s colorful excavation of David Choe’s fascinating soul. I suspect many of you are already well familiar with this human and his art. Perhaps you watched his VICE special, Thumbs Up. You’ve seen him alongside the late Anthony Bourdain in Parts Unknown or the recent documentary Roadrunner. He’s also appeared on Howard Stern, Joe Rogan, and David Chang’s podcast. But for those unfamiliar, David is an extraordinarily unique and talented street artist, fine artist, performance artist, and muralist. He’s also a musician, journalist, writer, producer, fellow podcast host, a self-proclaimed liar, thief, altruistic narcissist, vagabond, and recovering sex and gambling addict. In other words, he’s a highly flawed human—just like the rest of us. Most of the conversations that swirl around David tend to revolve around his wealth (he took stock instead of cash for murals he painted on the walls of Facebook that would later enrich him to the tune of $200M) and the countless wild yarns he spins about his many well-documented adventures, escapades, and public scandals. Today we travel beyond the David of yore to meet a very different man. An artist and human who has grappled with his demons and emerged more complete. Grounded. And grateful. What interests me most about David has nothing to do with his wealth, fame or copious talent. Instead it’s his honesty—a rare and raw vulnerability that is both sweet and endearing. A reflection of his devotion to self-growth, the David of today is refreshingly open about his journey and failures. The result is a deeply empathetic, sensitive, caring, and thoughtful man in search of personal truth and connection—all of which is writ large and beautifully captured in his latest utterly unique creation, The Choe Show on FX. Today’s conversation centers on mental health, childhood trauma, and the many perils of addiction. It’s about identity, sobriety, creativity, and more broadly, the journey to self-acceptance and self-love. David is one of the few brave individuals who can shine a flashlight on the darkest places of his soul—a rare authenticity that somehow gives everyone else the green light to do the same. To read more click here. You can also watch listen to our exchange on YouTube. And as always, the podcast streams wild and free on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Note: If this is your first rendezvous with David, this is not one for the kiddo’s ears. Explicits are dropped. You have been forewarned. I adore this conversation. It’s nothing short of magical, and I hope you find it helpful especially if you’re one of the many who are struggling or suffering right now. Peace + Plants, Rich Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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0:00.0

How did I feel when I won $3 million at the mom my last trip?

0:06.0

And I'm playing a quarter million dollar hands of Blackjack in private, private rooms.

0:12.0

And at that point I felt very little.

0:14.0

But you win $3 million, it feels good.

0:18.0

When I lose $3 million and even better yet, when I lose $30 million, then that feels amazing.

0:25.0

That feels amazing.

0:26.0

So I think that was the disconnect with trying to talk to people in my tribe who are addicts and people who aren't addicts.

0:34.0

And it doesn't matter if you're an addict or you're not an addict because everyone knows an addict or at least has one in their family.

0:40.0

So that's the thing when people go, I don't understand.

0:43.0

Why don't you stop drinking or why don't you stop the behavior?

0:46.0

It's like, I want to fucking lose. That's why.

0:49.0

Do you get it? Do you understand now?

0:51.0

I don't want to win.

0:52.0

I'm happier when I'm losing. I want to lose everything.

1:07.0

The Rich Roll Podcast.

1:09.0

Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast.

1:12.0

Good to be here, good to have you, good to be alive.

1:15.0

Today's conversation, I think it's fair to say, is rather unlike my typical fair.

1:22.0

And I think quite beautiful in its honesty, its raw vulnerability, in its colorful excavation into the fascinating soul and chaotic multiverse that is David Chose Brain.

1:38.0

I've been fascinated with David for years. I suspect many of you are already well familiar with this human and his art.

1:46.0

Perhaps you've seen him on the late Anthony Bourdain show or in the recent documentary Road Runner about Bourdain's life.

1:54.0

He's also appeared on Howard Stern, Joe Rogan and David Chang's podcast, all worth checking out by the way.

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