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for these two sets of ideas are politically hostile to each other,

in political practice, they actually help each other tremendously.

That it is the hold of left-wing, identitarian ideas that strengthens right-wing populism

and the strength of right-wing populism, which makes it so hard to argue against these forms of identity politics on the left.

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

My guest today needs a little introduction.

David Brooks is, of course, a long-serving New York Times columnist and the author

among other books of The Road to Character, the Social Animal and How to Know a Person. But there is

something rather different about this episode. Because in honor of the release of the

paperback edition of the identity trap, my book published about two years ago, David Brooks

very, very kindly agreed to turn the tables on me in this interview.

Instead of me interviewing him, which I have done in the past, and you should absolutely

go back to listen to that conversation, to hear more about David's thoughts and work,

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