Hey everybody, it's Joe Trippy, and welcome back to That Trippie show with my co-host, Alex

Ashlow. This is truly a different special episode. I grew up a huge fan of David Bowie, and there was a unique draw to his music,

the rebel against authority. And what I always thought was an almost spiritual undercurrent of

his music that I believe had a lot of influence on me. You know, he never came to authority,

was always fearless in taking on the conventional.

But there was something else that I could not put my finger on all these years until I read

David Bowie and The Search for Life, Death, and God by Peter Ormeron. The book and Bowie's music is about the search.

It's not really, I don't see it as much of a, as much of a review of the music or biography of the music as much as the search that David Bowie was on.

I think a lot of us are on, find meaning and God maybe.

So Peter, welcome.

I've really been looking forward to talking to you about this.

Thank you so much.

I've been looking forward to talking to you about it as well. It's a real pleasure to be here with you.

Yeah, I, you know, all these years of listening and pondering the meaning of the music that David Bowie put out,

and then almost at the very beginning of the book when you explain the moment

where Bowie's listening to Tootie Fruity and says he here, this is when he heard God. Can you

talk about that a little bit? Yeah, I suppose you've got to take yourself back to post-war England, post-war suburban

England where David was growing up.

He heard it was a pretty stifling existence in some ways for a lot of people and certainly seem to be that for him.

And then he hears on the radio this extraordinary sound burst through a wapababababab, a wop bamboom, with this incredible, incredible, incredible primal vocals, this, this rowdy piano, this riotous,

raucous sound.

It was absolutely thrilling.

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