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The Good Fight

David Bau on How Artificial Intelligence Works

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 30 September 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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David Bau is Assistant Professor at Northeastern University and Director of the National Deep Inference Fabric, researching the emergent internal mechanisms of deep generative networks in both Natural Language Processing and Computer Vision.  In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and David Bau explore the technology behind AI, why it’s concerning that so many computer scientists don’t understand how it works, and how to embed morals, values, and alignment. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:02.0

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0:07.0

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0:10.0

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0:13.0

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0:17.0

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0:22.1

enterprise managing vendor risk, Banta makes it quick, easy, and scalable, and I'm not to say

0:27.2

that because I work here. Get started today at banta.com. Historically, as an engineer,

0:32.8

as a computer scientist, it's really been our responsibility to understand the systems that we make,

0:38.0

to make sure that they're doing what we want, that they operate correctly. And I feel that the new

0:46.4

discipline of machine learning, because it's become so important to just accept these black boxes

0:53.5

and use them, even though we don't understand them,

0:56.6

it's leading to really an unhealthy turn in the practice of engineering in computer science.

1:04.6

You were training a whole new generation of computer scientists to be comfortable with this

1:10.3

idea that they shouldn't really look

1:12.9

inside these complicated black boxes.

1:16.6

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

1:25.2

There is at the moment for good reason a lot of debate about artificial intelligence.

1:32.1

How capable are current models?

1:34.9

Are we approaching something like artificial general intelligence?

1:39.5

And how big are the impacts on the world going to be?

1:42.1

Is this, for example, going to lead to a massive loss

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