My guest today is Dave Smith. If you don't know him, I don't know what you do online because he's a popular dude.

He's a stand-up comedian, a writer, and a political commentator, best known for really holding his own on the anti-war stance.

I could, I thought about labeling you as a libertarian, but I'm really trying to get away from those labels because it might be the thing

that is the most destructive. So Dave Smith, thank you for joining me. What do you think about that?

Do you want to wear that label or do you want to wear no labels? We're going to talk about

sanity online today. Well, I will certainly agree. Well, thank you for having me, first of all, but I will agree that labels can be problematic, but I do I

essentially think that Ron Paul is the greatest living American hero and the Thomas Jefferson of our time and he used the label libertarian. So I'm quite comfortable using the same one he did.

But yeah, yes, in general, I do, I hold liberty as the highest political value. I think that's just kind of in line with Americanism.

But I think that, yeah, I think governments are instruments of force and tyranny and

destruction, generally speaking.

My problem with using these kinds of labels is that it sets people up with an expectation,

like, okay, I'm going to hear this.

And then those expectations have proven to be quite damaging during the second Trump

administration because I think people thought that MAGA stood for one thing

and then we see this faction and they don't understand each other. Democrats hold the line.

They just don't criticize their own politicians. And so now I don't know exactly what to do

with these things. And I'm realizing more and more that these partisan divides are artificial

and destructive and it prevents us from being able to take things issue by issue. How do you feel

about that? Oh, well, I agree with you when it comes to partisanship. I mean, I think that there's,

you know, like, like, there is a libertarian party, the political party, but

I'm more talking like little L, just what are your principles?

What do you believe in?

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