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The Senate impeachment trial continued on Wednesday and Senators got their first chance to ask questions.

The first question, read out loud by Chief Justice John Roberts, came from Republican

Senators Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Mitt Romney.

To give you a taste of what the proceedings are like, we're going to play a longer clip from

C-SPAN, first of Justice Roberts reading the question, then the answer which was given by

one of Trump's lawyers Patrick Philbin. This is a question for the council for the

president. If President Trump had more than one motive for his alleged conduct, such as the pursuit of personal political advantage, rooting out corruption, and the promotion of national interests, how should the Senate consider more

than one motive in its assessment of Article 1?

Mr Chief Justice, Senators, in response to that question, there are really two layers to my answer because I'd like to point

out first that even if there was only one motive, the theory of abuse of power that the House managers have presented that subjective motive alone can become the basis for an impeachable offense, we believe is constitutionally defective.

It is not a permissible way to frame a claim of an impeachable offense under the Constitution.

But I'll put that to one side and address the question of mixed motive.

If there were a motive that was a public interest but also some personal interest, we think it

follows even more clearly that that cannot possibly be the basis for an impeachable offense.

And even the House managers, if they have framed their case,

they have explained, and this is pointed out in our trial memorandum,

that in the House Judiciary Committee report, they specify that the standard they have to meet

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