In this episode, we're talking about Dave Ramsey's terrible retirement advice. Let me put myself in your shoes. No matter how old you are, you’re probably saving for retirement. You’re trying to figure out how much you need to save and what retirement accounts are best - do you go 401K or Roth IRA, etc? And the biggest question is, how much money can you take out each year for retirement? And, you’re hoping, fingers crossed, you’re saving enough. Then, the biggest voice in money, Dave Ramsey, comes along and says it’s simple, if you earn 12% each year in your investments, you can safely take out 8% for retirement each year and leave 4% in your account for inflation. Simple, according to his “math.” But it’s not that simple, and it’s mathematically wrong advice - damaging advice if you ask me. Why? Because of pure facts, the stock market's average 30-year return is 9.9% and just 7.3% adjusted for inflation - far less than the 12% return he spouts. His latest rant in response to a caller who wanted to know how much he could take out for retirement each year is the reason for this episode. I called in my two money expert friends, Paula Pant from Afford Anything and Joe Saul-Sehy from Stacking Benjamins, to talk through why this advice is wrong, what moral obligation money experts have to their listeners to get things right, and what you need to know to figure out how much money you should be saving and what a good retirement withdrawal rate really is. Links Afford Anything https://affordanything.com/ Stacking Benjamins https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/ Average Stock Market Return article Supernerds United Against Dave Ramsey's 8% Safe Withdraw Rate Guidance article SPONSORS Thanks to Monarch for sponsoring the show. ​​After trying out Monarch for myself, I understand why it’s the top-rated personal finance app. And now through Cyber Monday listeners of this show will get an extended thirty-day free trial and 50% off your first year on the annual plan if you're switching from Mint when you go to www.monarchmoney.com/ETM.  Thanks to Uncommon Goods for sponsoring the show. Get 15% off your next gift by going to www.uncommongoods.com/ETM.  Thanks to EarnIn for sponsoring the show. Just download the EarnIn app in Google Play of the Apple App store and use code Talkin Money under Podcast. Thanks to Noom for sponsoring the show. Start taking control of your weight management and join the millions who have lost weight with Noom. Sign up for your TRIAL today at www.noom.com.   Thanks to ButcherBox for sponsoring the show. Sign up today at www.butcherbox.com/etm and use code ETM to get $20 off your first order. How To Connect with Shannah: Download 10 Money Questions to Ask Yourself Free Money Guide https://etmpod.link/10moneyq  Ask Shannah a question on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/shannahgame/  Submit a money question for Shannah to answer in an upcoming episode https://tinyurl.com/askshannahq  Leave a 5-star Review here https://ratethispodcast.com/etm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices