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The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

Dave Nadig - “This is a Big Year for ETFs" | #56

The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

The Idea Farm

Management, Investing, Business

4.8978 Ratings

🗓️ 7 June 2017

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 56, we welcome Meb's good friend, and CEO of ETF.com, Dave Nadig. Per usual, we start with some background information. Dave tells us about his early days in the investment industry, starting a consulting firm that was working on a then-new idea: fee-only financial advising. His first client was a little shop that went on to become none other than BlackRock. After some professional twists and turns, including running money for a while, Dave ended up at ETF.com. Meb then dives in by referencing an article Dave wrote toward the end of last year, called "Outlook for ETFs in 2017." There were several key points in the article which Meb thinks can help provide a general, 30-thousand-foot overview of the ETF space. The first point - ETF flows. Dave tells us "this is a big year for ETFs." He then takes us through a quick recap of the evolution of ETFs, going from a purely institutional product back in its early days, to something embraced by investment advisors, to an investment vehicle for retail investors. And here we are now, somewhat full circle, with ETFs even more embraced by institutions (think endowments), only now, they're no longer held as fringe investments, but as core holdings.  Meb asks at what point ETF assets will surpass mutual fund assets. Meb had predicted within about 10 years back in 2013. Dave tells us there will always be a demand for mutual funds - that said, he believes the cross will happen around 2025, with asset levels around $14 trillion.  Meb asks if the evolution in the ETF space today is primarily a movement from higher fee to lower fee. David believes this is the case. Most of the new flows are going toward low-cost vanilla products. Dave thinks the whole active/passive debate misses the point - it's really about cost. This dovetails into another business/investment idea Meb has that he's offering to any listener willing to pursue it. Next, Meb brings us back to Dave's 2017 Outlook piece, this time bringing up "ESG."(This stands for "environmental, social and governance" for anyone unaware.). Dave believes that we're near/in the greatest intergenerational wealth transfer in history. And the 40-year-olds that are inheriting, say, a $5M portfolio from their 70-80-year-old parents have different desires about what to do with that money. Dave tells us that this younger generation wants their money to do something - and this usually gets labeled ESG. So Dave believes we'll see more funds targeting this wealth transfer.  As usual, there's plenty more in the episode: exchange traded notes... the regulatory change Dave would like to see... buying ETFs at NAV... Dave's one piece of advice offered to help listeners the most... and Dave's answer to a new question: since Dave is a big "game" lover, Meb asks which three games are his top 3 of all time. What are they? Find out in Episode 56. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Mebb Favor Show, where the focus is on helping you grow and preserve your wealth.

0:12.0

Join us as we discuss the craft of investing. helping you grow and preserve your wealth.

0:12.6

Join us as we discuss the craft of investing

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and uncover new and profitable ideas,

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all to help you grow wealthier and wiser.

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Better investing starts here.

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Meep Faber is the co-founder and chief investment officer, Cambria Investment Management.

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Due to industry regulations, he will not discuss any of Cambria Investment Management. Inuit Industry Regulations, he will not discuss any of Cambria's funds on this podcast.

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All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not reflect

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the opinion of Cambria Investment Management or its

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affiliates. For more information visit cambria Investments.com.

0:48.6

Hello podcast listeners today we're welcoming a good friend as well as the CEO of

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E.TF.com. Dave Nadeg, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. I'm a loyal

1:02.0

listener so it's an honor to be here. So normally I'm

1:05.2

hanging out with you and you're wearing a black band t-shirt from some historical band.

1:11.5

You're not today. What's going on? I feel like I'm I'm I'm

1:14.4

luxuriating in my home office on a beautiful summer day so they no need to no need to

1:19.6

to gussy up. Don't be insulted that I didn't gussy up for you.

1:23.5

It also looks like you're, you have a like race car seat that you're in your podcast studio.

1:30.2

Is that a pretty fancy chair?

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What's the story?

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Yeah, I mean, I have lots of hobbies,

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