Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on the process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, asking your nephew how to

upload music videos onto your Facebook page, or else, a scrappy upstart, deleting your Facebook

page to only release hand-numbered cassettes, this is your show. Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks

most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of December 2020, and I thank you for joining us.

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