This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Brian Koberger.

Let's watch some clips here from the the Dateline episode.

And I want to talk about what happened to Ethan Chapin.

And I don't like getting gory or anything,

but it's simply just part of this case.

We're not getting to super detail.

But this is what happened to Ethan.

This is, again, from Dateline NBC,

and they're reporting on the Coburger case.

When you're dealing with crimes that are motivated by anger toward women, the men that are in the

way are rapidly dispatched.

Then, according to our sources, the killer did something strange.

He carved Ethan's lower legs.

Carved is the specific word that was used.

If you view that person as having gotten in the way of what it is you're trying to play out,

you might be overwhelmed with anger toward them and do something extra.

And I think it's a clue that there was a sexualized component to this,

because this was about women. There was a special

anger toward that male. It looked like the killer sat down after that, said an investigative

source, and left behind impressions in blood on a bedroom chair. He's exhausted. He's gone through

four people. People that commit mass murder don't anticipate

the adrenal exhaustion that's going to overwhelm them when they do it.

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