Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs

of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran who still has a legal

team fighting Napster, even though people don't download music anymore or else a scrappy

upstart, unfamiliar with what the concept of a download even is. This is your show because

ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an iring clad excuse to put off, actually

writing.

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