From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

My guest, writer, director, and documentary filmmaker Darrell Wine has made films.

We look at low

verses or breaking upwards or sex positive or consumed or his newest film, which we'll be talking

about today, which is blueprint. He tends to take a look at archetype and burrow inside those

archetypes. Am I kind of accurate in that column, Darrell? I think so, yeah, blending the personal

and the political. Yeah, but it's stepping behind that, I mean, because what I find so interesting,

and I think this extends the blueprint as well, is the way you deal with the way women take power in social situations.

Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I think I'm always trying to defy stereotypes and especially lean into, you know,

female-driven storytelling

and have women more at the center of my films.

I think in all of them there's been a lot of gender parody.

And I've co-written a lot of my films with my wife,

who is Zoe Lister-Jones, who I've got to give a shout out to Band-Aid.

Yes, she was here for Band-Aid.

Oh, she was? Okay, cool.

Which, yeah, was at Sundance the year before.

My latest film, which I just had at Sundance this year called White Rabbit.

But we're talking about Blueprint, jumping ahead into the future.

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