Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the distinct pleasure of sitting today

with Tristan Harris, who is co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology and the host

of the Center's podcast, Your Undivided Attention. Tristan, welcome to Dark Horse.

It's great to see you, Brett. Good to be here with you.

Yes, it's great to be here with you, just so that people understand where we're coming

from. You and I know each other prior to either of our podcasts. We're friends. And so we've

had a lot of informal behind-the-scenes discussion about topics that I'm sure we will get to today.

You are in the Bay Area, am I correct?

Yep. In the San Francisco Bay Area, after a brief sojourn due to a climate outcome of

our house burning down due to the wildfires in California in September. So issues of, anyway,

that's the reality of my situation. I'm back in the Bay Area.

Yes, that sounds slightly beyond what we usually think of as a climate outcome. You know,

the Earth is getting warmer, but it's rarely hot enough to catch your house on fire.

Geez, your house burned down? That is shocking.

Well, the crazy thing is that we obviously don't have to go into this much, but the house

burned down two weeks after the release of the social dilemma, which was this global phenomenon.

So actually, I had less than 24 hours between that happening and then doing the today's

show at five in the morning and continuing to do interviews and everything that was happening.

Because the film, the social dilemma, was seen by something like 100 million people in

190 countries and in 30 languages. So it's balancing all that after the house burned down

and being sort of on the road and having to work it all out was just a unique experience

to have.

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