Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast.

I have the honor of sitting today with Greg Lukyanov, who is president of Fire, the foundation

for individual rights in education and co-author with Jonathan Height of Coddling of the American

Mind.

Also, I believe the recipient of the 2008 Playboy Freedom of Expression Award is that correct

Greg.

Yes.

Well done.

It was an honor.

If you read Coddling, you might have heard that I had a pretty rough 2007, and I was pretty

big low.

And getting that really helped.

I could use the moral support in 2008.

But it did not require the production of any photographs that you now fear being released

or anything like that.

This is a Christy Hefner.

Runs a lot of the free speech awards, and I actually was pleased to hear an elderly recipient

of one of the awards, say what the rest of us were thinking.

It's like, why don't we get invited to any of the fun Playboy part?

It was very upscale, very respectable, almost to the point of being like my leaves

is appointing.

Got it.

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