Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the great pleasure of sitting today

with Gert Van Den Bush. Gert Van Den Bush is a doctor of veterinary medicine who has

specialist expertise in virology and vaccinology. He has worked in industry in the construction

of vaccines. He has also worked in the nonprofit sector in bringing immunity to larger numbers

of people. Welcome Gert. Thanks so much for having me.

So you have become well known in certain circles and controversial of late because you have

deployed an argument that suggests that the current campaign to vaccinate large numbers

of people in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic may be ill advised. And I have seen you have

been accused widely of being an anti-vaxxer, which is completely preposterous in light of

the career that you have participated in. Do you want to say any words up front about

where you're coming from in deploying your warning? And then we can get into some of

the biology that will be relevant to the argument that you're making?

Well, what I could say is that for me the alarming point came when I realized or we realized

as a community that all of a sudden this was back in November last year, a number of

highly infectious variants were popping up almost cyber-painlessly. That was one thing.

And the second thing was when vaccination started that there were some reports that were

reporting indeed about people being vaccinated and still shedding virus. So the combination

of these things, the presence even before mass vaccination started of highly infectious

strains that were already present. And then this combined with the fact that the vaccines

as most vaccines do not prevent against infection and enable people who are vaccinated to shed

to the virus and basically to spread it. So this was the for media alarming point.

Interesting. So from my perspective, one of these things, it seems to me is obvious that

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