Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the distinct honor and pleasure of

sitting with Douglas Murray right here in the studio. He happens to be live. Douglas

is associate editor at the spectator author for many publications, author of many books

you may know, which we will certainly talk about upcoming here. And he is traveling in

the US. Now I know your cover story is something like you're here for espionage, but I have

deduced what you're actually traveling for. Your most recent book is The Madness of

Crowds, which many in our audience will know. And because you wrote The Madness of Crowds,

you've come to Portland where we have taken crowd madness to the level of high art.

You have the epicenter. I thought that before coming here, but now having been here, I'm

confirmed in my initial prejudices. That's so often. And it's a thrill to be back in the

United States, touring around the country, writing about what's going on here at the

moment. And obviously, there's enough news every 24 hours in America for an average

six months. And so I mean, a number of states so far have gone more still to go. One mutual

friend said to me the other day, I think it's disastrous to tourism isn't it, Douglas?

It's not, but I could see how it could seem like that with the state of your country at

the moment.

Yes, although I mean, you do have the perfect cover story being a journalist, you know,

yeah, tourism is actually you letting the world see through your eyes.

Exactly. But you know, I just came here as you know, from California. I feel somewhat

that I shot my bowl. I said in the piece that we can that I thought that California

appeared to be a failed state. But then I came to Portland and I feel like I stole my

own flunder. Well, thank you. Yes. The state of Oregon. It's really the whole West Coast,

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