Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I am very pleased today to be sitting with

my good friend Daniel Schmocktenberger, who is the founder of the Consilience Project.

There's a lot more that I could say about you Daniel, but I think we will leave it at

that for now. People can look up your bio if they want to do so. I should probably start

by telling people that when I say that you are my good friend, I really mean that. You

and I are good friends, although to be honest, we haven't spent all that much time together.

This is one of those cases where you meet somebody, somebody who has started from a very different

place, and you discover that you have all kinds of thought processes that have reached

similar conclusions, and every discussion is fascinating. The more I learn about what

you think, the more I realize I've got a lot to learn from you and that there is essentially

infinite ground to be covered. So welcome Daniel. Thank you, Brett. It's really good to be

here. I feel the same way. We were introduced by our friend Jordan Hall, and we've never

had a conversation where I didn't learn something and where I didn't appreciate the good

faith way that you showed up when we had a disagreement to talk to, which is always fun.

It is always fun. I must say I did a little bit of poking around seeing recent interviews

you'd done, but I deliberately did not overly study for this. My sense is that the audience

will get a great deal out of hearing you and me go back and forth and finding out what

we agree on, where we disagree, and maybe most tellingly, there's a phenomenon in which

anybody who has learned to think more or less independently tends to have their own language

for things, their own set of examples that they use to explain things that recur over

and over again. So in order to have high quality conversations, there is this period in which

you're effectively teaching the other person how you phrase things and seeing those things

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