Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the pleasure of introducing you today

to Brittany T'Lisa King, who is an independent journalist and freelance writer, host of American

Shade with Brittany King on YouTube. She received a Master's in Journalism at New York University

and a Bachelor's in Writing at Indiana University. Brittany, welcome to Dark Horse.

Thank you so much for having me. So I should probably tell our audience. You and I have spoken

before, gotten along very well and my sense is that we could just simply have a conversation and

not say any more in terms of the ground rules or expectations. But just so everybody knows where

we are. I believe as I think you do that we have serious issues surrounding race in the country,

that there's a lot at stake and that we are in danger of coming apart in some way that will be

disastrous for all of us. And that the best thing that people like you and I can do is to model

courageous conversations. And I should tell you I have a thick skin. I don't love discovering that

I've got something wrong, but I would much rather discover it than have it go unsaid. So please be

candid and courageous in pointing out anything you think I need to know that I might be missing.

And I will do the same in return. That's sound good. I have thick skin too. So this will be great.

Terrific. Okay, so Brittany, I know that you consider yourself to be on something of a journey

with respect to your understanding of race relations in the US. Do you want to say something about

where you are in that journey and where you started?

Where I'm at on that journey is ongoing to be honest. I don't think I'll ever stop because I'm

always a student. Someone I'm always going to continue to be learning. But my journey started with

being a leader of a Black Lives Matter in Clomis and Yona, which is the hometown of former

Vice President Mike Pence. And my journey started kind of before that with protesting for Black Lives

Matter after 2013 when they first had that hashtag on Twitter with Trayvon Martin. And I was doing

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