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The Documentary Podcast

Dark patterns

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2022

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Trying to cancel some online accounts can be a maze of searches and false hopes, multiple clicks through a puzzle of seemingly unrelated destinations.

This is what has become known as a 'dark pattern'; complex web design that makes it hard for you to do something the website does not want you to do, and employs behavioural psychology to make you do things it does want you to do. It is just one of the techniques used to make us click, buy or subscribe.

Journalist and broadcaster Darryl Morris digs into the methods being used to grip your attention, and examines the persuasive power that is being harnessed. What impact is it having on your free will, and is there anything that can be done to resist it?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Have you ever tried to cancel an online subscription? Or felt pressured into buying something

0:13.4

from a website because it's allegedly the last one? Or quick, for people who bought this

0:18.1

today? I've been investigating the tricks and techniques used by websites to make us

0:23.2

click by or subscribe, whether we want to or not. In this program we'll meet designers,

0:31.3

psychologists, regulators and we'll find out what impact certain types of web design

0:36.4

are having on users to understand what's really going on behind the computer screen.

0:43.0

You're listening to Dark Patterns with me, Darryl Morris on the BBC World Service.

0:53.2

In 2010, something caught the attention of user design expert Harry Brignal.

0:58.1

I started quite frequently seeing people being tripped up by things in websites and apps

1:02.8

that look like they've been put there on purpose, like trip hazards that weren't a sort

1:06.8

of design mistake but were purposeful. You coined the phrase Dark Patterns, right?

1:11.7

Yes, so there's the idea of normal design patterns. For example, a login box is a useful

1:16.3

pattern and a really good way for us to communicate. A Dark Pattern is meant to be a deceptive

1:21.2

and kind of shady technique. So that's where the name came from. Having named them,

1:26.2

I started doing lots more research. I found them everywhere. It was like mushrooms popping

1:29.5

up in the forest, like you can see one, you can see another. I realised that there was

1:33.0

this whole phenomenon that people weren't really talking about, so I made a website,

1:36.9

I tried to popularise it and it's now the kind of industry accepted term.

1:41.9

What was that first example of a Dark Pattern with the strategy?

1:44.8

The subscription kind of, the Roach Motel.

1:48.3

The Urban Dictionary defines a Roach Motel as anything that upon entering it can't be

1:54.5

easily left. On some websites, that's exactly what it's like to cancel your subscription.

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