meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Sidedoor

Dark Matter, Bright Mind: How Vera Rubin Saw the Unseen

Sidedoor

Smithsonian Institution

Science, The Smithsonian, Tony Cohn, Art19, African American History And Culture, Exhibit, Dc, Exhibits, Pop Culture, Zoo, National Museum, National Zoo, Natural History, Air And Space, Smithsonian, Postal Museum, History Of The World, History, Sidedoor, Museum, Washington, Society & Culture, American History

4.6 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Something dark and invisible makes up as much as 90 to 95 percent of the universe—and it took a little girl staring out a bedroom window at the night sky to bring it to light. 

As a child, Vera Rubin built her own telescope. As an adult, she uncovered a problem no telescope could solve: stars at the edges of galaxies were moving just as fast as those near the center. The math contradicted everything astronomers expected to see...unless the universe was filled with unseen matter.

This is the story of how Vera Rubin pushed through the gender barriers of the 1950s and turned a fringe idea into one of astronomy’s biggest open questions. What is dark matter? How did Rubin help prove it was real? And what does it mean that most of the universe is made of something we can’t see?

Guests: 

Ashley Yeager, Associate News Editor at Science News and Author of Bright Galaxies Dark Matter and Beyond: The Life of Astronomer Vera Rubin

Ramona Rubin, Granddaughter of Vera Rubin 

Deidre Hunter, Astronomer at the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona 

Amruta Jaodand, Astrophysicist at the Chandra X-Ray Center in the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

This is Side Door, a podcast from the Smithsonian with support from PRX.

0:13.7

I'm Lizzie Peabody.

0:28.1

Siblings can be a pain sometimes, especially when you're a kid.

0:31.8

They take your clothes, pull your hair, eat all the cereal.

0:36.0

And in the case of Vera Cooper, living arrangements were the issue.

0:43.0

She was sharing a room with her sister, Ruth, and they had kind of put a line down the middle of the bed in the room.

0:46.2

Classic.

0:47.4

Ashley Yeager is a science writer and author of the book Bright Galaxies, Dark Matter

0:52.3

and Beyond.

0:53.6

She says Ruth was the older sister, so she got dibs on the side of the bed near the window.

0:59.0

But...

0:59.7

Vera would crawl over her every night to look out at the stars.

1:04.4

And Veer just said there was nothing else as fascinating as looking at those stars.

1:10.2

This was the late 1930s, so you could still see the stars from Washington, D.C., which is where they lived.

1:16.6

Each night, Vera would stare up at the night sky in awe.

1:21.4

She just was so enraptured with the night sky and wanted to understand how all the different components of the

1:31.2

sky and the earth and everything in the universe worked. Why are the stars moving? What else is out there?

1:38.3

She read all the books she could get her hands on, but she wanted to know more, see more. So when she was about 11 years old, she made a

1:47.1

plan. But she was going to need some supplies. She got on the bus herself. She went downtown.

1:53.6

She picked up a tube that used to hold linoleum and brought it back. This was the hard tube

1:58.6

inside a roll of linoleum. Imagine the cardboard tube inside a roll of paper towels, but much bigger and a lot stronger.

2:06.6

Now that Vera had her tube, she just needed two more things, lenses.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Smithsonian Institution, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Smithsonian Institution and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.