What if the person trained to catch killers was the killer herself and sat inside the LAPD for 23 years hiding in plain sight?

Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SCS Nation?

Welcome to Survive and the Survivor.

This is the Global Phenomenon.

We've got over 50 countries represented in this amazing community, where we bring you the best guest in true crime.

And tonight, a case that we go back in time for but feels almost impossible.

We're talking about a decorated LAPD.

That would be the Los Angeles Police Department detective, a brutal 1986 murder, a love triangle.

It's got all the ingredients for one of our guests,

Eli Frankl, who makes documentaries.

And then you had a chilling police interrogation

that literally has gone viral decades after the murder because you can literally

watch the moment a police officer realizes that she herself is the suspect. Yes, we're breaking

down the case of Stephanie Lazarus and that interrogation that everyone is talking about here to help us do it.

Got the great Natalie Leveck, counselor at law to me, the attorney, one half of the set of twins.

Natalie comes on every so often. I got to tell you, she's an important lawyer.

She's also a professor at the COE's alma mater. She teaches law at SMU, Southern Methodist University.

But Natalie knows true crime like no one else. She lives it. She breathes it.

Occasionally eats it.

And this was her choice.

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