Sarah Rogop clearly remembers the day when the thing she feared most happened.

It was the last week that I was, thought that I would be pregnant and it was a Sunday night and we had both fallen asleep and it was about midnight that I just woke up.

I wasn't in pain, something just didn't feel right. Something just didn't feel right inside of my body, inside my heart.

I just knew something was not right.

And so I got up and I spent the entire night until about 5 a.m. trying to get the baby to move.

Just doing everything that I could think of to get baby to move and by 5 a.m. was not

successful and at that point I began to panic and had spent a lot of time throughout the night praying and pleading with the

Lord and so about 5 a.m. I woke Mark up and I said I've been up all night. I've been trying to get the baby to move and I can't get the baby to move and something does not seem right. This is the Reviver Hearts podcast with Nancy Damas Walgamuth, author of Surrender, The Heart God Controls.

For April 24th, 2023, I'm Dana Gresch.

You know, when tragedy strikes or we face suffering and loss, how do we deal with our grief?

Is it okay to lament?

Aren't we supposed to be joyful all the time? We're about to explore these questions with Mark

Vrogop. He's been on Reviver Hearts before with his wife Sarah whom we just heard

from. Mark is lead pastor of College Park Church in the Indianapolis area and a good friend to revive our hearts.

Here's Nancy to start off the conversation.

Mark as we were listening to that clip that we aired several years ago and revive our hearts, I heard you just take a deep breath, just a sigh, and I know that brings back

unbelievable memories for you. You don't forget it, do you?

No, you don't. You know, someone compared loss, like an amputation, it heals, but you have something

that's missing in your life and to hear my wife's voice in the recollection of what that moment was like.

It's a flood of emotions, both of gratitude for God's faithfulness,

but also the reality is life is really hard.

And that five o'clock in the morning conversation was the start of a really hard, dark journey for you and Sarah.

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