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I'm here today with Darcy Lockman, Ph.D. She is a former journalist turned clinical psychologist.

Her first book, Brooklyn Dew, The Education of a Psychotherapist, chronicled the year she spent

working in the city's psychiatric ward. Her latest book, All the Rage, Mothers, Fathers, and the Myth

of Equal Partnership, comes out in May. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, The Washington Post, Rolling Stone, and Psychology Today, among others. She currently lives with her husband and daughter in Queens. So welcome to Darcy. Hi, so thanks so much for coming on Mom's Don't Have Time to Read Books. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. Oh, this is so great. So I wanted to know what made you decide to write all the rage. Yeah. But first, I want to hear a

little more. You were starting to tell me about how you even got your writing journey and your

time at vogue and fact checking and all that was really interesting to me. So tell me how you, your whole,

you know, go, you go.

So I moved to New York after college to be a magazine writer.

I always wanted to be a writer, and I was never a fiction writer.

So that was like, that seemed the avenue to go down.

So I got a Rolling Stone internship, actually, when I was still in college for post-graduation.

So I moved here to do that and then ended up getting a job at Water Media at the time, Us Magazine. So I started working in magazines. I worked kind of all around, you know, started as an edit assistant answering phones and then started writing. Quit my job to be a full-time freelance writer, which was a great thing to do in the late 90s because publishing was kind of, it was a good point to make money that way. I don't think it would be anymore. And the web was new, so you could write all sorts of stuff for the internet. And then after freelance writing for a while, I wanted a little more stability. So I went to Vogue as a fact checker, which was great. It was such a wonderful place to work around the year 2000 and then went back to

school to be a psychologist because it started to feel like the stuff I was writing wasn't that

interesting to me and to make a living full time as a freelance writer meant doing a lot of stuff

that wasn't going to be that interesting to you, at least the track that I was on. So I stopped,

but I always had the idea that I would

write about psychology eventually, which isn't what this book is about. But it was always in

the background writing, even though I was going down a different road. We have a very parallel

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