There are a lot of damaged adults who didn't get their needs met.

Then they see a child's needs and they don't want to provide it because they weren't.

They survived.

Look, I'm here, right?

So you have a lot of twisted psychology going on here.

You're listening to Green Dreamer, and I'm your host, Kamea Shane.

Today we're honored to welcome Darsha Narvaise, who is a professor emerita of psychology at the University of Notre Dame,

and who also co-founded the Evolved Nest Initiative.

Darsha is author, co-author, and co-editor of many books, including restoring the kinship worldview,

and the evolved nest, nature's way of raising children and creating connected communities. I want to briefly mention that I know that parenting, caretaking for, and raising children is a delicate and very personal subject,

also with a lot of cultural sensitivities.

And I also want to acknowledge that in spite of the systemic

critiques, I do think that most people are doing their best, have made the best decisions that they

could make at different points in time based on what they had access to, based on societal pressures,

or based on the prevailing viewpoints or information that

people were told or taught. So I invite you to listen with this gentle acknowledgement in mind,

and yeah, there is so much enveloped in this deeply grounding and insightful conversation, which, by the way, was made

possible through the direct financial support from our community, including on Patreon and

on Substack.

So if you feel inspired by our people-powered show, we do really need you.

And I hope that me repeating this across

episodes doesn't water down this message because this is such an important time to support

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