This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it. Hi guys today

I've got a special guest on the podcast. His name is Danny Ray. So he is a professional magician and an author

he is the first magician we've had on this show. So there we go. He has appeared on the full

us show with pin and teller. He did that just last year. And he's also the author of a book called No,

I can't make your wife disappear a magician's guide to magic or to a magical marriage didn't want

to mess up the thing a magician's guide to a magical marriage. So here's the thing about this

interview. So I obviously awesome. I asked him a lot about, you know, magicians and you know,

things that he likes and how he got into magic and all those types of things. But we get into some

serious areas really from the beginning. We get into the fact that, you know, he wasn't raised

by his biological father, but he was raised by another man, his stepfather and kind of how that

affected him and affected his introversion and how he was going to get into magic. But as with

anybody, when this interview was pitched to me, I was like, Hey, how do you how do you do the magician

thing and do the Christian thing? Like that just didn't seem like it would work in any way, shape

or form because like a center point of magic is deception. And we know from all different examples

in the Bible that, you know, deception is not a positive thing. It's not something that we

should be working through. But that is something that he explained. I really liked his answer on

that guys. I really enjoyed this interview with Danny Ray. I'm not going to keep him from you any

longer. So without further ado, let's get into it. Danny Ray. Welcome to Undaunted Life, a man's

podcast. Hey Kyle, thanks for having me looking forward to it. Okay. Now I just told you off air

that you're the first magician that we've ever had on this show. But I don't want to be offensive

here. Are you a magician or are you an illusionist because like there's there's separate camps here.

And I don't want people thinking that I'm calling you the wrong thing. You don't want to call me

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