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Hey there folks, welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. We try to get good guests. We almost always fail today is an exception. We got a great guest today.

She's very young at least I think of her as very young. She's the daughter of my friend Dinesh D'Souza and the you know the daughters or sons of my friends have to be by definition kids.

But Danielle is not really a kid. She's married. I was at the wedding Danielle. It's a joy to have you on welcome and congratulations on your new book.

Well, I am honored to be here. Thank you for having me. Well, this book is an important book. You you de Suza's get serious, even though your your new surname is de Suza Gil.

This is an important book that you've written. I know because I've read it. You write about abortion and the title of the book is the choice. The abortion divide in America. This is not your first book, but let me ask you.

Why did you write a book about abortion and what do you think could be said about abortion that hasn't already been said?

Well, I felt like the abortion debate had gotten very stagnant in the sense that you know a lot has actually changed since 1973 and Roe v Wade, you know back then people said things like, you know, maybe there's potential life in the womb and maybe we have to give it the benefit of the doubt and so on.

But with the development of ultrasound with seeing the baby in the womb, hearing the heartbeat, the viability moving earlier and earlier, there are just so many new new facts when it comes to abortion.

I think also the left has changed abortion. They've moved from safe legal and rare to kind of this radical pro abortion policy.

So I really wanted to take on the left's most powerful pro-choice myths and debunk them in a way that's very accessible to people where they feel like, you know, no matter what argument the other side makes, I can respond to it.

You you you just said a couple of really important things that I want to at least underscore.

The idea that the debate has changed dramatically is not often said you're quite right that in 1973 people science didn't know very much and today science tells us there's no question of what is in there we have pictures we hang those pictures up on our refrigerators when mommy gets pregnant we don't pretend it's a lump of cells until it comes out of mommy.

That's really important the science that we have and the imaging technology, but also as you said, the debate on the other side has changed. We're no longer talking about even Clinton in the 90s that we want abortion to be safe legal and rare.

The idea that it should be rare seems less mentioned than that it is something that is empowering it's something that is good that women are shouting their abortions that's that's a pretty dramatic change from the stance of pro abortion people even 10 and 15 years ago.

Exactly and I think that's why so many Democrats, you know who are older find it just shocking how the left is really pushing abortion not as you know the lesser to evils but as a positive good.

And I think that to what what we see is that even with the New York Times buying you know publication like teen vogue so that they can run you know abortion pill articles to target young girls they you know Michelle Williams accepts her golden global war and saying you know without this right to choose without abortion I wouldn't be here accepting this award today this idea that abortion is empowerment and this idea that it's a good thing.

I think it's really kind of the Democrats line of argument but doesn't actually resonate with most Americans.

I think it needs to be said that if you don't believe that you kill the baby or a human being then I understand their logic right it's like I didn't have the baby and it enabled me to do all these kinds of things but they're not really dealing with the issue that because of the science that we have today we know you're you're taking a life.

Stevie nicks not your generation but mine very recently said that if she hadn't had an abortion fleet would Mac would have never come into existence and it just makes me want a week it really makes me want a week but anybody who knows that story.

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