Daniel Schmachtenberger, Jamie Wheal & Jordan Hall: Making Sense about Making Sense of Sensemaking

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Leisure, Social Sciences, Society & Culture, Science

4.2 • 1.2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 September 2022

⏱️ 217 minutes

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It's finally here! In what has to be our most meta episode to date, Matt and Chris tackle the meta-philosophy / meta-spirituality / meta-science that is Sensemaking. You might say sensemaking is sense to the power of 2. But what is sensemaking, really? Well, that's a tricky question because as Jordan Hall says; no one can simply be told what sensemaking is. It is the escape hatch out of The Matrix, it is the finger pointing at the moon, it is a possibility space in an nth dimensional cube.... whatever the hell it is, some people are pretty sure it's the solution to all of humanity's problems. Exciting!

So, since defining sensemaking is like trying to staple a jellyfish to a wall, it is very understandable that Jordan Hall, Jamie Wheal, and Daniel Schmachtenberger would take 2 hours and 40 minutes out of their busy schedule, and have a meta-conversation about this meta-topic, where they try to decipher exactly what this strange beast is and do some sensemaking about sensemaking. And it's even MORE understandable that Chris Kavanagh and Matthew Browne would take even longer out of their own schedules to try to analyse THAT discourse: sensemaking about sensemaking about sensemaking.

Shifting to power notation for brevity, this episode is sensemaking cubed, which equals sense to the power of 4. How did we go? Well, sensemaking is like an elephant and everybody's got a piece of it. Chris is tweaking the tail, Matt's busy fondling the trunk, Daniel's inspecting the ears, and Jordan Hall is riding that bad boy, trampling poor Jamie Wheal and scaring all the monkeys. But we get there, we get there...

So join us as we operate in 75 simultaneous paradigms, make not just sense but anti-nonsense, and discover what the difference really is between a puzzle and a photograph.

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0:00.0	You're going to be. Hello and welcome to the coding the gurus the podcast where an anthropologist and
0:28.6	a psychologist listen to the greatest minds the world has to offer and we try to understand what they're talking about.
0:34.7	I'm Matt Brown. With me is Chris Kavanagh. This is the Decoding Zone, where Decoding is done.
0:42.1	Are you wearing your Decoding Pants, Chris? Are you ready to decode?
0:45.0	My decoding pants are commando.
0:48.0	That's how... Hi, I roll and I have to say my, you're sounding melodious I don't know something's changed it's like there's a warmth to your voice that I I haven't detected before
1:00.0	So thank you. Thank you for helping me figure out my microphone settings Chris that's what you want to hear isn't it?
1:06.4	Yeah. What kind of you to say no no that's just that's nothing to do with that just noting what a wonderful voice you have it's you know we have new listeners every episode probably mat and they they're just wondering
1:19.6	What a beautiful voice he has and now they're glad that I as their surrogate have voiced those feelings.
1:26.0	So you're welcome audience, you're welcome. You just want the whole world to know that I don't know my way around the Microsoft Windows
1:33.2	sound settings system panel thing a maybe bop-b-b-thing. See the thing is my I also
1:38.9	don't know my way around that I'm a Mac man I'm'm a Macman now. I'm fully converted for probably over a decade,
1:45.6	but what I do know my way around is this little thing called Google.
1:49.4	I'm quite an expert at it, so I find the answer to the questions with you know
1:56.3	surprising ease I'm not saying anything negative I'm just talking about my ease
2:01.1	with that technology that's all okay well I have you that's
2:04.5	the main thing you you sort things out for to me like I do for my mom this is the
2:09.4	circle of life Chris I've solved my mother's computer problems, you solve mine and one day some young
2:15.5	child somewhere will be solving yours.
2:17.3	Yes, I yes. I look forward to that day, but I'm still too hip and with it for an eye.
2:25.7	They can teach me nothing.
2:28.2	So, Matt, we dropped a segment which used to be, I can't remember what we called it, was something like, you know, checking in on the Guru Sphere.
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