You're listening to The Great Simplification with Nate Higgins.

That's me.

On this show, we try to explore and simplify what's happening with energy, the economy, the environment, and our society.

Together with scientists, experts, and leaders, this show is about understanding the bird's

eye view of how everything fits together, where we go from here and what we can do about

it as a society and as individuals.

Today's guest is ocean fisheries expert Daniel Pauley.

Daniel is a marine biologist who teaches at the University of British Columbia.

He is also the founder of the Ocean Fisheries Project, The Sea Around Us.

Daniel's the author of numerous books and over 500 academic papers.

He's quite simply one of the world's foremost experts on the relationship between humans,

oceans, and fish, and on the state of the Earth's oceans and the fish that live in them.

Today we talk about why fish are migrating northward because they need more oxygen due to

warming water, about the world passing peak fish and about farm-race salmon and many other

topics not often discussed.

I expect you will enjoy and learn from this conversation with Professor Daniel Pauley.

Dr. Pauli, good to see you, sir.

Good to see you, too.

We haven't seen each other in a couple years.

So I have enormous respect for you and your work.

You are not very well known outside of your circles, but everyone that I know who knows you refers to you as an Uber Mensch, someone who's dedicated to the oceans, and a

brilliant scientist. So I have a lot of questions for you. Let's dive in. So many of the listeners

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