You're going to. This is Monica Perez here with Daniel Natal, an ethicist, podcaster, writer, and more, super fascinating guy whose knowledge is also fascinating,

but I want to hear a little bit about him first.

Hi Daniel, thank you for being here.

Hey, thanks for having me on, Monica.

It's a great pleasure.

I've enjoyed many of your broadcasts.

Thank you so much.

Well, I have to say you were on Herbore-Moricha's show

several times, but most recently, I several emails saying, you got to talk to this guy.

And I think it's because my favorite question, I asked basically everybody, it tells me, gives me

some insight into maybe truth but also into them but you might actually

have an answer to this is what's the true nature of power on earth and in the

universe and I was

was looking into your background and I was looking into your background and I'm just

fascinated by I don't know if it's your it's your day job or what but

tell me about your ethics work. Yeah well I mean you can your your viewers can go to Amazon.com and buy my book actionable ethics.

There you go, have better bookstores.

Yeah, no.

So essentially I was doing ethics work with the company some years ago and we did essentially business ethics training and stuff.

And then from there I got asked to do kind of political commentary with an ethics slant and that's how I got into the podcasting thing.

And I still do some ethics things, like for instance I do ethics coaching with kids and you know give

them little kind of training and morality and stuff that they lack you know that

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