Welcome, welcome welcome to arm chair expert experts on expert. I'm Dan Markovitz and I'm joined by

Lily Markovitz. In this scenario are we his brother and sister parents

wow wouldn't you be proud if Daniel was your baby boy so proud I like this man so

much I don't know if he'll listen but if if he listens, I want him to hear right now. I so enjoyed meeting him. It's crazy. I want to go to his house as a dinner guest and I want him to come to my house as a dinner guest. I think that could happen. Okay if you're listening Daniel

invite me to your house for dinner. And me! Yes invite us to your dinner. Yeah.

Daniel Markovitz is a professor at Yale Law School, the founding director of the Center for the Study of Private Law, and a best-selling author.

I know I've referenced the meritocracy trap a bunch of times leading up to this.

I was inspired to read that from an article. We get into all that and

Daniel's just one of the most thoughtful, smart humans we've ever talked to. His books include a modern

legal ethics, contract law and legal methods, and the book that we are here to talk about, the meritocracy trap.

Really important subject.

Yes, once it gets in your head, it's not unlike the sepulsky stuff, it's like,

Can't really unsee it. You can't unsee it. As I've been telling you, I've been listening to the

Elon Musk, Walter Isaacson biography, and it's just in there a bunch. This is very, very present everywhere.

It is. Yeah. Okay, well please enjoy Daniel Markovitz.

He's in option for, he's in a chance that.

That was the flight.

Oh, it's totally easy.

I mean, one of other things I flew into Burbank, which is...

You love a Burbank flight.

Right, like, I mean, on the one hand hand when you're there is not like nice but on the other hand

it's as easy as a bus station right and I'm flying out a Burbank tonight too

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