Daniel Kirk: Making the Vision of the New Testament Moral

Homebrewed Christianity

Dr. Tripp Fuller | Theologian, Philosopher, Minister

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.6 • 612 Ratings

🗓️ 25 April 2024

⏱️ 136 minutes

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The most influential academic text arguing against the full inclusion of LGBTQ+ divine image bearers into the life of the Church is Richard Hays' "The Moral Vision of the New Testament." He has changed his mind and has a new bookdeveloping a theological framework for the full inclusion of LGBTQ people in Christian communities. In this live stream, Daniel Kirk joined me to explore his former professor's evolution on the issue, why it's about time for Richard (and lots of other faith leaders) to say so publicly, and how to think ethically with scripture. Those familiar with Daniel's previous visits to the podcast will know that he has argued publicly for full inclusion based on the logic of scripture for years, even to the point of being denied tenure in evangelical spaces that demand silence. When this new book was announced, I wanted to have him back on to unpack things and hopefully lure more straight allies to find their voice. WATCH THE VIDEO HERE Daniel Kirk (Ph.D., Duke University) is an award-winning New Testament scholar whose work takes place at the intersection of history, biblical interpretation, and real life. He is currently broadening his intellectual and vocational horizons by studying to be a Physician Assistant. Look for upcoming work to have a robust dose of science and politics mixed into the biblical conversations. Previous Episodes w. Dr. Kirk on ROMANS + Biblical Authority, Jesus’ Adoption, and Post-Penal Atonement How Paul Preaches Christmas A Man Attested by God The Secret Chart to the END OF TIME (kind of) TNT Easter-Cast Kirk talks Paul w/ Tripp & Pete Rollins Lexington Theological Seminary is the sponsor for this Episode. Lexington Theological Seminary is a pioneer in online theological education. Both the Doctoral and Masters programs are designed with the flexibility and contextual focus needed for the working student. You can learn more by heading here. JOIN our current class, GOD AFTER DECONSTRUCTION with Thomas Jay Oord Come to THEOLOGY BEER CAMP. Follow the podcast, drop a review, send feedback/questions or become a member of the HBC Community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	What is up theology nerds? This is Tripp. And today, returning to the podcast, is the good
0:11.1	doctor Daniel Kirk. That is right. Daniel Kirk, New Testament scholar extraordinaire.
0:18.3	Previously, we've done a class on Romans together. We've gone through the whole
0:22.9	lectionary on the lectio cast, one of our previous podcasts here at Holmbrud. And he is back on today
0:30.2	talking about this upcoming book from Richard Hayes, who, with his son Christopher, they have a new book coming out, arguing for full inclusion of LGBTQ people and Christian communities.
0:45.1	And, well, you know what? Daniel just happened to be a Richard Hayes student and has argued in a book honoring Hayes that the logic of his moral vision of the New Testament
0:58.5	would require inclusion. And now Richard and his son Christopher changing their mind. You know,
1:04.0	on top of that, Christopher Hayes and Daniel started at Fuller Theological Seminary at the same time.
1:10.7	But unlike Daniel, Christopher still works there because he wasn't denied tenure for advocating for LGBTQ inclusion.
1:19.6	So, you know, there's all these layers of connections.
1:23.8	So there's been tons of response to this.
1:25.9	And we kind of unpack it, think about it, have ourselves a good time, two friends talking.
1:32.3	But, yeah, you'll see in this how much respect Daniel has for his mentor, Richard Hayes, and how complicated a question like this is for Christians who are already allies,
1:48.4	and especially for LGBTQ Christians who've had people, you know,
1:53.2	footnote haze in ways where they have been harmed and rejected by the church.
1:58.0	So I hope you enjoy it.
2:00.4	And hopefully, hopefully, when the book comes out later this year, maybe I can get Daniel
2:06.2	and Richard on the podcast at the same time or something.
2:08.8	Who knows?
2:09.2	Who knows?
2:10.5	But before you jump in, I want to say two things.
2:13.6	Number one, this October 17th and 19th, Theology Beer Camp, Denver, Denver, Denver, Newark, Denver, Colorado. Go get your ticket. Go get your ticket, right? Go ahead and grab it. Go ahead and grab it. Hundreds of people have already got their tickets, and we want you to be there. And not just me, not just me, but there'll be 20 plus Godpod. 20 plus theologians. You can come hang out with me and Diana Bull and Bass and Brian McClare and Iliad, Dillio, John Totominal. Come on, it's going to be fun. A good time. York Rieger's going to be there. Grace G. Son Kim's going to be there. Adam Clark is going to be there. It's going to be amazing. So come on. Come on. And the last, before we hop in, I want to let you know that this
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