Daniel Ellsberg On The Pentagon Papers + Matt & Katie On Cow Therapy & Serial Killers

Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

Useful Idiots, LLC

News Commentary, Politics, News

4.6 • 4.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2021

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

We spoke to legendary Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg about the nuclear threat nobody is talking about, the end of the world and how he, despite all that, stays hopeful. But before diving in with Ellsberg, Matt and Katie talk about, of course, Dems sucking, Republicans sucking, things being weird and terrible and even bring you a stoned moment. Stand by for the youtube episode. And, dear paying subscribers, stand by for the paywalled video and audio sections dropping soon where we talk to Ellsberg about the way he’s been cynically rehabilitated by his critics as a “good whistleblower” in order to present Snowden, Assange, and Manning as bad ones. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Useful Idiots. I'm one of your host Katie Alper.
0:09.2	And I'm the other Matt Taiyibi. How are you Katie?
0:11.8	I'm good you. I'm doing well. I'm doing well. You know, a lot of people have questions
0:16.4	about what happened. Yeah. And why why we're no longer a Rolling Stone.
0:20.3	We consciously uncoupled from Rolling Stone. Is that really true though? I mean,
0:24.0	we've been telling people that it was an amicable. Amicable, yeah.
0:27.6	But the truth is that it was political. It was political. Yeah.
0:31.4	Should I just come clean? I think he's just admitted.
0:35.1	All right. So you know, you cost us both our jobs. I did.
0:38.5	I cost us both of our jobs. I created this great opportunity though for us to come to
0:43.0	sub-sec. And you know, a lot of people were calling me an asadist and calling Matt
0:47.3	by extension and asadist. And I was trying to I was pretending that you know,
0:51.4	arch-severing with Rolling Stone or that are severing ties with us wasn't related to
0:56.4	Syria, but it absolutely was. Okay. Oh my God. It's such a relief to say that.
0:59.9	So we had political differences. And I wanted to open up a studio in Damascus.
1:08.2	I wanted useful ideas to mask us. Yeah. I wanted a DT Damascus today.
1:14.1	They wouldn't even talk about putting into the contract. And they wouldn't air
1:17.1	that glowing profile slash interview that you had done with.
1:21.5	With the assault. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we basically, all right.
1:25.7	I wanted to start to be the third host. Right. I thought the chemistry wasn't quite
1:29.6	there. It's off screen. There were a lot of fireworks. But you're right.
1:33.3	It just doesn't translate on screen. Like when he and I are hanging out,
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