Daniel Bessner on the Restraint v. Liberal Internationalism Debate

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🗓️ 18 August 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Last month, the cover of Harper's Magazine declared that the American century is over. Then it asked a single question: What's next?

To dig into that question, Lawfare managing editor Tyler McBrien sat down with the cover story’s author, Daniel Bessner, an associate professor in international studies at the University of Washington, who walked us through the history of the American century and the debate over what comes next. Daniel and Tyler discussed the two warring camps at either end, known as the restrainers and the liberal internationalists, and the stakes of their debate for the future of U.S. foreign policy and the world.

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