I think that what's probably quite terrifying is the speed of what AI can do and how it can be applied

and we've seen that through chat CBT.

It's no longer the sole responsibility of the geeks in the basement the conversations are

happening at board level.

The less than there's no right later to do it. There's definitely wrong ways to do it.

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Hello and welcome to the UKTN podcast, a weekly conversation with founders of some of the UK's high-growth tech companies.

Each episode will talk through the founder's personal journey, their vision for their business and their views of the wider tech industry.

I'm Jane Wakefield and I've been a tech journalist for more than two decades and

joining me today is James Hadley, CEO of Immersive Labs. Thank you very much for joining me, James.

Now first up, I just want to find out a little bit more about your journey as a founder and an entrepreneur.

Absolutely. My background is IT geek growing up.

I played with the computers because I didn't have any friends.

I then went on to join GCHQ about 18 years old, straight out of college, and then worked

there for about four to five years doing some really fun stuff in cybersecurity and then

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