From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events.

You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

A production of IHeart Radio. Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

My name is Noel.

They call me, Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer, Andrew TriForce Howard.

Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

Big shout out to Triforce, by the way, you guys.

He just gave us the coolest.

What's the name of that surfer hand you do with a pink...

Chaka?

Chaka.

Yeah, okay.

That's different.

The shocker and then the Shaka are different.

Well, we have a big thank you to TriForce. We have a big thank you to all of you, our fellow conspiracy realist, tuning in. As a matter of fact, one of you, Anonymous, hipped us to an idea that launched a conversation so good from our listener mail program that we turned it into an episode. We're talking about this a little bit off air.

Do you guys remember the film? What Dreams May Come? I know you do because we just talked about it.

Yeah, I saw it in the theaters. I think that's the one time I saw it, which was what, like 98, 99 maybe.

It seems like a 99er.

I remember it being visually stunning and moving, but thinking back on it, maybe a little

emotionally manipulative.

Yeah, in 1998, it matched up perfectly with the way I had been taught heaven and hell work,

at least pretty closely with some of the stuff where, you know,

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