Danger Close | The Fourth Option Podcast: Steve Murphy & Javier Peña

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Jack Carr

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🗓️ 13 May 2026

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Summary

Today on DANGER CLOSE: THE FOURTH OPTION, I’m joined by Steve Murphy and Javier Peña — the real DEA agents behind Netflix’s Narcos.Straight from the agents who were there: working undercover in jeans and a polo with a target on their backs, Escobar’s self-built prison, treason charges, and the order that changed everything — “We’re not here to seize dope. We’re here to kill Pablo Escobar.”This is a companion podcast to my new thriller, THE FOURTH OPTION, talking to those on the front lines, analyzing modern warfare, and taking listeners deeper into the themes that inspired the novel.This podcast series is presented by HUXWRX Safety Co., Staccato 2011, and Bravo Company.

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0:00.0	This episode was brought to you by Huxworks Safety Company,
0:05.0	innovators of flow-through technology.
0:08.0	It was cocaine everywhere.
0:11.0	If you couldn't make a drug case down there,
0:13.0	you were in the wrong occupation.
0:15.0	You know the orders from Colonel Martinez to me and Steve?
0:17.0	He said, guys, we're not seizing money here.
0:20.0	We're not seizing dope.
0:21.2	We're here to kill Pop Westmore.
0:23.1	If he says it's going to kill you, you need to run or get ready for battle.
0:26.5	You need to run or get ready for battle. See, there we are we all. See, there we are.
0:58.4	Hey guys, how are it?
1:00.2	Oh my goodness, thank you guys so much for doing this.
1:02.8	This is such a-
1:03.8	Pleasure.
1:04.6	To talk to you guys.
1:06.2	Thank you.
1:07.2	It's an honor to meet you to be on here with you.
1:09.5	Oh, amazing.
1:10.5	What drew each of you to the DEA in the first place?
1:14.5	Well, I was a city cop in West Virginia for six years, and I was a railroad cop for six years.
1:21.1	Got several shootings throughout those 12 years, but one with the railroad, I backed up with some police officers that ran a gun battle,
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