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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

danah boyd on why fake news is so easy to believe

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 27 June 2017

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

danah boyd is an anthropologist and computer scientist who studies the way people actually use technology. Not the way we wish we used technology, or the way we hope we will use technology, but the way we actually use it.“Technology,” she says, "is made by people. In a society. And it has a tendency to mirror and magnify the issues that affect everyday life.”boyd is a principal researcher at Microsoft Research, the founder of Data & Society, a visiting professor at New York University, and a fantastically interesting thinker. She packs more insight into a blog post than many authors get into a book. I’ve been reading her and learning from her for a long time, so I’ve been looking forward to this discussion, and it didn’t disappoint.In this conversation, we discuss why fake news is so easy to believe, digital white flight, how an anthropologist studies social media, the reasons machine learning algorithms reflect our prejudices rather than fixing them, what Netflix initially got wrong about their recommendations engine, the value of pretending your audience is only six people, the early utopian visions of the internet, and so, so much more. Enjoy!Books:Jean Briggs's "Inuit Morality Play: The Emotional Education of a Three-Year-Old”Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil”Margaret Mead's collection of her Redbook essays Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Lisa Ling, a journalist and host.

0:07.2

And I'm Hoon Lee, but you may know me as Chao on the Max original series War Year, based

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on the writings of Bruce Lee.

0:13.4

After every new episode, join us here Hoon and I, and a series of special guests are

0:18.6

going to discuss how the show is made.

0:21.0

So, stream War Year season 3, starting June 29 only on Max.

0:25.5

And join us here, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

0:31.0

On July 21st, the cinematic experience of the summer arrives.

0:37.0

Written and directed by Christopher Nolan, Oppenheimer is an epic thriller about the

0:40.8

man who risked destroying the world for the one chance to save it.

0:45.0

Featuring an incredible cast, including Robert Downey Jr., Emily Bluntz, Oscar Winner's

0:48.9

Matt Damon and Kenneth Brandock, Oscar nominee Florence Pugh, and Killian Murphy at

0:53.7

J. Robert Oppenheimer.

0:55.9

Watching theaters July 21st, rated R.

0:57.9

Hello, welcome to the Ezra Klein show on the Box Media Podcast Network.

1:16.0

My guest today is somebody I've been excited to talk to for a long time, Dana Boyd.

1:20.3

She is a fantastically interesting person.

1:22.8

A computer scientist coming at the apologist.

1:25.3

She is a founder of Data and Society, a principal researcher at Microsoft Research, a visiting

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professor at New York University.

1:32.6

Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, director of the crisis text line.

1:35.8

She does a lot of interesting stuff.

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