I remember prepping him for interviews at the end of the administration, saying they're going to ask you, your legacy is going to be.

And he said, look, I read three books about George Washington last year. And if historians are still analyzing the first president, then the 43rd doesn't have a lot to worry about because he'll never know.

Hey, hey, and welcome. This is the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special, and I'm really excited to be

joined today by Dana Perino. She's host of the Daily Briefing and co-host of the Five Dana. Great to see you.

It's amazing to finally get to do the Sunday show. I know. The best Sunday show. Oh, thank you.

No offense, Chris Wallace. Well, for people who don't know your background and have only seen you on Fox News,

you first rose to prominence as President Bush's press secretary.

But what was, how did you get into politics before that?

It's funny.

I worked on Carl Rove's book and a couple of others, and I remember,

Carl wanted to write just from when he was the president's campaign

manager in 1998 and I remember the editor saying you can't just show up as the president's campaign

manager you have to understand how and those are always the kind of the hardest first

chapters for people to write Charles Crowellhammer was the same when I worked with him. Peggy

Noonan didn't even want to do it, but I do think it's really important, and it's one of the things

I love about your show is to dig a little deeper, like, how did you get to be this person? And,

well, my family's from Wyoming, both of my great-grandparents on my maternal and my paternal

side, homesteaded in Wyoming.

One became more of an entrepreneur, like with a motel that there's, I-80 goes right

through Wyoming, big trucking route, and so they had a motel there and a couple of other

things. But I feel like maybe where I identify the most is with my great-grandparents ranch in Wyoming.

So it was the late 1800s.

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