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I'm Akshatrati and this summer on my podcast zero, I'm doing a series about climate storytelling,

how we talk about climate change and what it means for how we confront it.

This week I'm interviewing novelist Kim Stanley Robinson.

I write with a specific political impulse if you're always expressing a political opinion even

if you stick your head in the sand and that too is a political stance. It's just kind of a chicken

one. Listen to zero on the iHeart Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

This is Masters in Business with Barry Redholz on Bloomberg Radio.

This weekend on the podcast, wow, I have a fun extra fun extra special.

Anyway, I have a really fun guest. Dan Harris wrote the book 10% App Year.

It's a short read on how he was kind of messed up depressed using

drugs and literally had a panic attack on live TV where he was a newsreader and an anchor

and he tells the story of how he sort of stumbled his way into mindfulness and meditation

and what I really found fascinating about the book is there are no great promises.

This isn't going to change your life. It's called 10% App Year because hey if you can make your

life 10% better that sounds like worthwhile trade to me and Dan is a fascinating guy really

tells a wonderful story about how he stumbled into this area of self-help and how it really helped turn

his depression and his life around and I found Dan to be a fascinating guy who really has a good

sense of human psychology and the condition we're all born into and teaches us practically how to

make the best of the wet wear that we've all inherited. I thought this was fascinating conversation

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