You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan is joined by his longtime friend, Dr. Tremper Longman, in a conversation about ping pong,

college, and the nature of friendship. Dan and Tremper invite us to consider how our friendships might draw us

into deeper and more life-giving participation in the kingdom of God. Well, it's my privilege

to be able to have my best friend on with me today. Now, normally, because I've done many,

many lovely podcasts with my wife, normally, because I've done many, many lovely podcasts with my wife, she holds that.

But I'd also say my best friend and lover for my wife.

And now I just say my best friend, the longest best friend, because Becky and I have been in relationship, not marriage-wise,

but friendship-wise and then-to-marriage almost 41 years.

And you and I, Trimper, Longman, the third, have been best friends since October of,

and I don't think I've done the math, actually.

So it would be like 166 or 7.

We were 13 in our first meeting. So, Trevor, so delightful to have you on this podcast, finally.

Great to be on the podcast, Dan, and great to be here

in Seattle, teaching with you and hanging out and playing ping pong that we did when we were 13.

Yeah. How has ping pong gone for you so far in the days we have spent together?

I'm sorry I raised this subject. It has not gone well.

It reminds me of when we were 13.

So say more.

How so?

Okay.

So we played 10, 11 games in the three days I've been here.

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