Dam Breaks and Pipeline Bombings

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🗓️ 8 June 2023

⏱️ 69 minutes

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A large dam on the Dnipro River has been destroyed, causing massive flooding and a dangerous environmental catastrophe in southern Ukraine. The Ukrainians are blaming the Russians; the Russians are blaming the Ukrainians. Meanwhile, the Washington Post is reporting that the CIA was actually tipped off about the coming destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines last year—and that it was tipped off that a Ukrainian military team was planning to do it. The blockbuster story is the latest bit of evidence that the Nord Stream operation was, after all, not the Russians, but the Ukrainians.

Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down in three conversations to discuss the goings on. First, he spoke with Eric Ciaramella, Senior Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and a former CIA analyst and NSC official on Russia and Ukraine, about the scope and scale of the damage the dam break has done. Then Ben spoke with Dmitri Alperovitch, Chairman of the Silverado Policy Accelerator, about the military implications of the dam break. And he spoke with Shane Harris, one of the reporters whose name is on that Washington Post story byline, about his story and what it all means for the future of the Ukraine war.

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0:29.0	You know, the dam's destruction has left about 94% of irrigation systems in
0:38.6	Carson without water, about 74% in Zapparija, Oblast, and about 30% in Nipro, Oblast.
0:44.0	So, you know, it's going to have a really, really significant impact on this part of Southern Ukraine.
0:50.0	I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast June 8, 2023.
0:57.0	A large dam on the Nipro river has been destroyed causing massive flooding and a dangerous environmental catastrophe in Southern Ukraine.
1:09.0	The Ukrainians are blaming the Russians, the Russians are blaming the Ukrainians.
1:15.0	Meanwhile, the Washington Post is reporting that the CIA was actually tipped off about the coming destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines last year.
1:26.0	And that it was tipped off that a Ukrainian military team was planning to do it.
1:32.0	The blockbuster story is the latest bit of evidence that the Nord Stream operation was after all, not the Russians, but the Ukrainians.
1:42.0	Joining me in the jungle studio, virtual and in person, to discuss all the goings on, our Eric Charamella, senior fellow at the Carnegie,
1:54.0	and downwind for International Peace and a former CIA, analyst, and NSC official on Russia and Ukraine,
2:05.0	Demetri Al Parovitch, chairman of the Silverado Policy Accelerator, and Shane Harris.
2:13.0	One of the reporters whose name is on that Washington Post story by line.
2:18.0	We covered a lot of ground on this podcast in three separate conversations.
2:24.0	I talked with Charamella about the scope and scale of the damage the dam break has done.
2:30.0	I talked to Al Parovitch about the military implications of the dam break.
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