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From KQED. Welcome to Forum. I'm Mina Kim. With federal agents arresting and detaining citizens as part of the Trump administration's immigration crackdown purportedly to target violent criminals living in the country illegally, many have been left asking, what does it mean to be a citizen anymore? What's happened to the protection and belonging associated with the status?

In a new book, Daisy Hernandez, Northwestern Associate Professor of Creative Writing,

offers needed context on why our understanding of citizenship can be so easily destabilized

and shows through historical examples, social critique, and her own personal story,

that citizenship is as much a tool of exclusion as inclusion.

Her book is called Citizenship, Notes on an American Myth. And listeners, how are you thinking about what it means to be a U.S. citizen in this moment, whether you are one or not?

Daisy Adnan is welcome to Forum.

Thank you so much for having me.

Glad to have you.

Before we get into the myth of citizenship, I do just want to establish the generally held idea of what being a U.S. citizen means, the rights and privileges associated with it,

even if many of us have not always felt that

in practice? Yeah, absolutely. I think that a lot of times when people think about citizenship,

they often go to the right to vote, especially in federal elections, and there's a lot of that

in the news. But, you know, citizenship really affects every arena of our lives. And a part of our

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